Pseudosix
has gone from a trio on Days of Delay to a six-piece on the most recent
album. How has the increased number of musicians helped or hindered
your songwriting?
It really lends itself to new doors as far as songwriting goes. When
more people are brought in, there's more to work with and more options
made available. I always want to create these crazy vocal chants and
rounds and harmonies and now there are actually enough people to do it
and do it well. Plus, they're all great musicians with great ideas. So
it gives me more time to concentrate on the overall song structure and
count on them to give it the grease. I'm the protein in the trail mix.
They're the candy part.
Just for background, what was the exact band lineup for Pseudosix? I've
got both Emil Amos and Dan Wilson jotted down as guitarists, but Amos
was only on Days of Delay, no?
On the album the exact band lineup is: me (guitar, vocals), Emil Amos
(guitar, vocals), Brandon Barnhill (bass), Jake Morris (drums) and Kate
O'Brien (strings). But Emil is no longer in the band. So the current
lineup is Dan Wilson on guitar (also of joggers fame) and Jay Clarke
on keys (The Standard, Dolorien) and everything else is the same. The
current setup is the most fun I've ever had playing music. I feel like
our live shows are a lot more powerful and exciting.
Is Pseudosix still more or less an ad hoc collective, or has it morphed
into a band with full-time members?
A little bit of both. We kind of swap in and out depending on the situation.
That's the cool thing about having such a dynamic setup. If we're missing
one instrument, one or more of us just pick up the slack. It makes things
interesting. Plus, it keeps the music in the moment.
Why the move from 54º 40' or Fight! to Sonic Boom? Has the label transition
gone smoothly? On the strength of your two albums have you had interest
from any majors (say, joining fellow Portlanders The Decemberists on
Capitol), and is it something you'd even consider?
54º 40' or Fight! was good to us. Steve Brydges is a dedicated man. But
we wanted something a little more local. Closer. And it's worked out
well. Sonic Boom is a hard-working label and has gone above and beyond
in their support for us. As far as any interest from major labels? Not
really an option right now. Labels like Capitol don't give two shits
about anything but moving units. And we would have to do a lot more of
that before we even begin to show up on their radars. Until then, we're
perfectly happy where we're at.
You say you wanted "something a little more local" when
it came to labels. Why was that important to you?
When things are on such "hand shaking" terms between a band
and a label, it makes sense to me that the two should actually shake
hands … often. And maybe laugh. Drink a beer together. Hug? It
should be a more intimate thing. Also, I felt that a label that is
working with us should have a good understanding of the locality in
which they
are dealing. They should have firsthand experience with the clubs and
bars and record stores in the area. Stuff like that. I think decisions
should be based on a mutual awareness of what's going on.
How much were Jay Pellici and Jeff Saltzman responsible for the more
lush sound on this disc?
I think the album turned out more "lush" than I had planned.
I wanted a recording that would resemble some of my favorite seventies
albums (Neil Young, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Bill Whithers, etc). Mostly,
I was interested in a very dry drum sound. I had heard a lot of Pellici's
work and knew him personally through 31knots here in town. So I suckered
him in. He's amazing, and a great engineer to work with. I think Saltzman
is the man responsible for the lushness. And I really like his work
as well. But I think overall the album ended up sounding a little too
glossy
for my liking. Next time, I want to rough it up a bit.
You want to "rough [the sound] up a bit" on the next
record? Does that make it more authentic somehow?
What I meant by that was, I think I'd like to record in a fashion that
lends itself more to the raw and clunky sound that we tend to create
naturally. That's what we are. In the process of trying to capture that
dry seventies sound on Pseudosix, I think things ended up a little more
polished then anticipated. It's a fine line. And it's hard to tell when
you're in the thick of it. But it's not a big deal to us. We're proud
of the end result. But there's a lot more room for improvement.
It seems like you pored over the sequencing of Pseudosix
for a long time, fitting the songs together like puzzle pieces. Did you
give it much thought?
And, since first impressions are so crucial to up-and-coming bands like
yours, were you wary of starting off the record with a ballad?
Actually, most of the sequencing was a no-brainer for us. We tend to
think in terms of transition and connectivity. We try and make our
sets really seamless too. So the order of songs was something we'd
already
been through in our minds before the album was finished being mixed.
As far as starting the album off with a ballad, I didn't give it a
second thought. It's funny, I've been asked about that a lot. I think
what a
lot of people don't understand is that our decisions regarding the
order of songs had nothing to do with which songs we thought were the
strongest
or the most likely to be well received. It was more about the album
as a progression. "Some Sort of Revelation" sets a thematic
tone both lyrically and musically. And then it spirals into this crescendo
that throws you into the rest of the album. It had to be the first
song.
The album has all the hallmarks of a post-breakup catharsis. Is there
any truth to that observation, or do you just find a rich vein to mine
in the mood that characterizes a lot of post-breakup releases?
Honestly, the only song on that album that has anything to do with
a girl is "Paltry Remains." And even then it hints at something
that I think is bigger: the inability to give something up or let it
go even long after it becomes a dead horse. And this doesn't just apply
to bad things, but good things too. Like ideas and aspirations and outdated
revelations that worked out so well at one point, that we never stop
to ask ourselves if they still work in the present moment. I tried to
touch upon this in "A Million Shards." I guess I was thinking
mainly of art and music when I wrote it. How sometimes the individual
can become trapped by the very ideas that once liberated them, because
they haven't allowed themselves to move beyond that point.
I say "post-breakup," but then I start picking
apart the lyrics to "Apathy and Excess." A politically-minded
song, by any chance?
"
Apathy and Excess" is a very political song. It's about valuing
the concept of "progress" at the expense of other people, ideas,
and the world around them. "Enclave" is also a very political
song. Although it was written partly tongue in cheek. Portland is,
in many ways, its own little bubble in which a certain set of core
values
are shared by most. But once you travel a couple minutes outside of
town, a whole new set of bumper stickers start showing up. Yet, as
I watch
the country I love continue to head in a very unfortunate direction
(despite my own personal efforts) I find myself sometimes just wanting
to embrace
this bubble along with other like-minded people and tell the rest of
the world to fuck off. Yes, it's a knee-jerk approach. And no, it doesn't
solve any problems. But when you're feeling helpless, it makes a lot
of sense.
Portland has been a musical powerhouse for a long time now, turning out
a number of extremely talented bands and solo artists that seems disproportionate
to its population. Why do you think Portland's musical culture is so
strong, and where does Pseudosix fit into all of it?
Well first off, the quantity of bands in this town is very disproportionate
to its population. And for that reason, it's a tough city to make a name
in. I think that people living outside of Portland have a tendency to
glamorize the town. Especially the media. But a lot of these bands that
people talk about (The Shins, Spoon, Malkmus, etc) were already established
long before they moved out here. On the other hand, I think a lot of
artists and musicians love this place because rent is (or was) relatively
low. In bigger cities, one has to work all the time just to pay the bills.
Here, people have enough time to cultivate their art (and go to tons
of strip clubs).
I noticed Pseudosix has got an upcoming tour scheduled
with David Kilgour. Is that just a pairing planned by promoters, or do
you count The Clean
as a musical bedfellow?
We like The Clean! But I would definitely not consider them a musical
bedfellow (as I'm sure they wouldn't either). Recently we got connected
with Satellite Booking. They knew we wanted to get out and hit the
road as soon as possible and support this album, so they put us on
the next
possible tour they could – which happened to be David Kilgour.
So it wasn't planned. But we are very excited nonetheless.
I'm always curious as to why bands like Broken Social Scene,
The Charlatans, etc., title their second or third album eponymously.
You'd
think it would
be their debut: "We're here; this is us!" Why did you decide
to make your sophomore album self-titled? Was it because you felt Pseudosix
had finally found its feet, its sound, or was the reasoning more mundane?
I don't think anyone of us in the band could have predicted what this
album was going to sound like before setting out to record it. It took
on its own energy. And in the end, it had as much of a hand in telling
us what to do and who we were as we did telling it what to do and who
it was. It's a thematic album. But we didn't want to spell any of that
out. Instead, it just made more sense to call it what it was.
Along that same line of enquiry -- and it might seem
a bit premature, given that Pseudosix has really only just hit the shelves
--, have you
already started working on future material?
Yes, I'm always writing songs. But it's less a future thing, and more
a present thing.
What do you think defines the new album, both by itself and in the context
of the band? To put it another way: if you were an outsider reviewing
Pseudosix, what would your closing assessment be? And then, speaking
as the band's frontman, how does the album fit into what you've done
so far and what you've got planned for the future?
Hmm. I think that once you put music out there, it's fair game for
other people's agendas and preconceptions – no matter how far off the
mark we might think they are. I mean, that's an integral part of the
conversation between the artist and the listener. Believe me, it's not
always easy to be on the other end of the comparisons and critiques.
But I'll shut up now and answer your question. What do I think defines
the new album? I think there's a weird mix of meticulous songwriting
and spontaneous playing on this album – which kind of sets it
apart from other stuff I'm hearing these days. Usually it's either
one or the
other. There's a sort of sloppy musicianship going on here. And I think
that that sort of vibe, combined with the carefully crafted song structure
creates an interesting tension. Also, I think even though Pseudosix
is loaded with darkness and despair, it's ultimately an album of hope
and
optimism. It's pretty laden with contradiction, actually. And I think
that some people who have reviewed the album don't really pick up on
that.